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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 28, 2011 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Conversely, is there anyone at all who doesn't like Box of Rain? Has a negative word ever been posted here about Box of Rain?

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Poster: reviewr Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I'll set myself up for ridicule here. Box Of Rain is almost always filler. People are just happy to see Phil sing. One exception that I can think of - the Houston '72 version.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 29, 2011 4:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

you got something against Phil singing???!!!!!

:)

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Sep 28, 2011 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

My wife actually doesn't like Box Of Rain. She loves at least 90% of everything the GD has ever done, including the rest of the American Beauty album, but for whatever reason that song doesn't do it for her.

I still love it though but I do agree with other posts that there aren't too many good live versions of BoR to be heard.

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

My wife doesn't like much Dead -- live or studio -- but she loves BoR (even the live versions from the later years), and she loves Unbroken Chain. Just one more reason why I love her...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 28, 2011 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Well, who knew. I didn't think it would be possible to elicit bad vibes on Box of Rain ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Looks like Mando started something, eh?

You should check out RHunter's version as elb notes; really gets to ya, I can attest. My sisters and I were deciding which to play at our brother's wake, and I played that one, and they were both in tears within seconds, whereas Phil's (studio only of course) is upbeat enough to allow you to avoid shedding tears, and focus on the "positive" (not putting this well, but you get the idea, I hope).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Sometimes this place bums me out - I think I should stay out of these "which songs do you hate" threads.

I'll take your recommendation though, I don't think I've ever heard Hunter's BoR.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 28, 2011 9:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

It's funny; I think that everything I said was contradicted by someone, and every song mentioned has someone who hates it ... except for Ripple. So far. Sorry Ringo, I probably just threw grease on the fire, but it's far down and late and maybe no one will notice it.

The forum often reminds me of this part of a classic song. It starts at 5:40. No image, cuz this is from the stage recording, which has the right words (changed for the film) ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beT1XD0sHbs&;feature=related

Horse! Mule! Horse! Mule!


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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 29, 2011 4:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?



preparing now for Ripple-bashing ..

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 29, 2011 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

They can't. But still, who'd think there'd be naysayers on Box of Rain? So be prepared ...

http://www.toonpool.com/user/1281/files/battle_1407305.jpg




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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 28, 2011 11:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

DON'T Let Phil sing...

That's why the studio version is the one. That said, I went bonkers when they broke it out in Hampton. It probably helped that no one could actually hear the tune at the time.

And count me in the camp that liked Esau. The tune always spoke to me in some weird way. zeitgeist?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/but-my-brother-esau-is-an-hairy-man/

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 29, 2011 4:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

>DON'T Let Phil sing...

What??? See, I'm firmly in the "let Phil sing" crowd.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I don't want to be the first, but I do not like BOR at all. It strikes me as all drippy, gooey, smarmy, marshmallows and kitties and bunnies. Britney Spears gets all bubble gummy with the Dead??

I really have tried to listen numerous times. I've tried focusing on the lyrics, I've tried focusing on the music - melody and harmony separately and together. I've tried focusing on nothing and just listening.

And unfortunately (or not) that's all I've ever come away with.........nothing.

What am I missing.

FWIW, Scarlet/Fire, Morning Dew, Eyes, Terrapin, Brokedown, Days Between, Dark Star, Mountains of the Moon have lifetime memberships in my super secret special vault. Others rotate in and out depending on where I am with life's situations.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 28, 2011 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I think the song takes on a completely different meaning when sung by Robert Hunter than by Phil Lesh. I think the song was written for Phil's father who was dying of cancer and the GD version just doesn't have that vibe.

http://www.archive.org/details/rh1978-07-22.sbd.ververelli.miller.113045.flac16

I find the same to be true for Franklin's Tower. Seems to take on a completely different meaning.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Yup...quit stealing my lines...see date stamp below. Or not.

;)

Meant to add: agree completely on FTower; love Robert's but never listen to the DEAD, era differences or not. Can listen to his any time.

This post was modified by William Tell on 2011-09-28 19:36:48

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 28, 2011 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I'm going out on the limb with Mando - the ONLY version of BoR that I like is the studio version. Phil's vocals on this song in concert are so choppy and distracting as to make it unlistenable. Skip button.

On the other hand, Ripple has such a poignant message I'll never pass it up. Never heard a bad version, except maybe by Furthur.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

"Ripple has such a poignant message I'll never pass it up."

agreed

"Never heard a bad version, except maybe by Furthur. "

then don't listen to the "Deadicated" album. Jane's Addiction purely slaughters my favorite GD song

As for the original question...
I like Terrapin and Fire...and Day Job
but then I even enjoy the occasional Samba In The Rain

This post was modified by user unknown on 2011-09-28 19:20:10

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 28, 2011 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

hadnt noticed your post before i posted mine but its virtually the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

You are the FIRST. And, fittingly, in a thread with FUBAR.

Which is what I am tempted to say must be true, about anyone that doesn't like BoR, but as friends, we'll agree to disagree.

I will say, you got balls.

;)

[how's that little icon for mixing up marshmellow "e" communication with common military phrases, eh?]

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

We'll see if the others are as gentle?

Maybe it's an accumulated lifetime dose of 1385 millrem of ionizing radiation that makes me incapable of enjoying BOR?

I suppose I'll back off a skosh and say that it's less that I don't like the song at all and more that the song does nothing for me - there's no resonance at all and nothing to keep me listening.

But hey, at least it doesn't get the heave ho skip button treatment like others.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Ha--hey, we also have "snafu" appearing below, so all my Navy knowledge is being put to use (I learned all these terms when the friend I mentioned from HS came home for Christmas from USNA...they were new to me in 1975. Have to love them: the best was he brought be a pair of blue NAVY gym shorts--just that word in yellow--which I wore for a yr or two in league play [b-ball]. The best compliment I got was after an extremely rough game, involving stiches, and "us" winning, the losers walked off, one saying to another "well, THAT's Navy ball for ya"...I was quite proud to have been labeled the instrument of such).

So, to echo elb, give a listen to RHunter's version of BoR and though his voice is an acquired taste, it comes off as a much more poignant song, IMHO. Same for Franklin's Tower as elb notes.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2011 1:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Wow.....

That is not even the same song....

Simply stunning. I am really enjoying this - thanks to you and elb!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 28, 2011 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

when i listen to live performances of this song i can relate to what you're saying but the album version is a different story!!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Wow! But tell us how you really feel :)

Well, there's a first for everything.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 28, 2011 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Or He's Gone.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 28, 2011 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Or have you ever even played Box of Rain for a non-Deadhead friend and had them not at least grudgingly admit it's a pretty song?

Or Ripple? Does anyone ever complain Ripple is cheesy, or sentimental, or goes on too long?

Other than complaints that particular versions are marred by FUBAR lyrics, etc., I don't think anyone says a word against these songs.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

"FUBAR"? Ye of military associations methinks--laughed out loud, almost, thinking of you saying this on a regular basis. At work? Just around the kids?

;)

I will say that having used BoR at wakes, the slower, very sentimental version by Robert his-self Hunter, solo, in which the lyrics are easily understood by "non heads", is better in such settings, as the DEAD version, great as it is, is a bit too upbeat (to be played toward the end, when everyone is well into the drinking/celebratory phase rather than the somber opening of said event).

That's as far as I go vis-a-vis a "complaint" about BoR.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

FUBAR is useful, as a way of cursing without offending the elders, or as a way of escalating from "SNAFU." Which I guess is also technically a curse.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 28, 2011 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I was thinking that too. Ripple is so special, and yet hardly ever played. I just checked Deadlists, and they were all in 70, 71 and 80, except for a few odball ones in 81 and 88.

And Box of Rain ... heck, I can't even recall anyone criticizing Phil's singing on that!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I love Box of Rain as a song, but there are very few great performances of that song. The studio version is pure bliss, but there are other songs better suited to Phil's live vocal stylings -- like Tom Thumb's, for example.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 28, 2011 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Unfortunately, I & D have completely burned out our friends and family who just don't get it or they simply can't abide another single note.
I was thinking here on the forum, nary a bad word about Box, He's Gone, Ripple, ect. I have tried every song for conversion purposes, as many/all of us have. Keep it short and to the point hasn't worked. My grandmother (RIP) did waltz w/ me to Mexicali Blues once b/c of it's polka nature, and that was her fav style of music. D's mom likes Mama Tried b/c of Merle and the not so hidden message to her daughter. But that is it.
Oh yeah, my brother told me once that Ripple and Attics sucked. He had just broken up w/ a girl he really liked and I thought there was an opening. Silly me.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 28, 2011 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

You're right about that. I'm probably the biggest complainer I know of Ripple (my dad loves the tune). I just get frustrated by DSO ending every concert I see with it. I mean give me johnny b goode any day to close it out.

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